Friday, August 10, 2012

Why Would Mark Musick and Doug Wellman Write Boxes?

Now that the DNA is back and there is little doubt the book was a red herring, what possible motive could there have been for the whole process they went through?

After an inferative review of the book and associated data we were struck with some things.
1. There is NO PROOF VERNER NICELY ever claimed to be Howard Hughes. All the information came from EVA. She REPORTED everything Verner was supposed to have said.
The Nicely family only laughed and indicated the hadn't heard of that before Mark started circulating it, but did say, "Dad could really tell some whoppers!"

2. Eva worked at an AIR BASE in Panama!  She worked a desk!

3.Verner worked on the planes as a civilian contractor! This smells like EVA was a was a non NOC worker who managed CIA logistics in the field in central America (we all know Central America was a CIA playground at that time).  She may have been in cahoots with Mark and the CIA or Mark could have been a patsy (not real likely) or she may have had other CIA assets helping her that had been recruited off the USS Ogden in San Diego and who has tried to con people into believing this drivel ever since!!

3.  Mark is AIR FORCE!  What you say that a review of his and Eva's service record shows them BOTH serving in Central America during the time period that Nic was down there????  Makes sense don't it.  Want to bet that Eva and Mark worked together before?
4.  Who MADE SURE (or so she thought) that no one could dig up Verner's body and test it for DNA?  RIGHT EVA!!!!  When she claimed he was Howard ONLY AFTER she had burned the body was the real stink of a setup!  The CIA always tries to destroy the red herring before calling it a salmon.  They could not have imagined that a bloody sheet still existed at the bottom of the trash pile in Nic's bathroom and that a shower curtain had keep any moisture from degrading it!

5.  People!!! In our opinion this smells to high heaven of a CIA red herring operation concocted by Mark and EVA to distract and destroy any REAL evidence of what REALLY happened to Howard.

6. WHY would the CIA want to mess with this??? Interestingly Howard's CLOSEST relative was rumored to have been assigned chairmanship of the HHMI!  Now IF the CIA is still using the HHMI as an undercover asset (to monitor research and set up foreign assets) it might be really problematic if someone could definitively prove that a close genetic relative actually exists and that person be of a religion that unMormonlike doesn't take part in political affairs like Quakers, conscientious objectors etc. Would really mess up the spook business to have their assets inherited by a dove!  Kind of ironic don't you think?

I have reviewed recordings of Mark's statements and Dougs and talked with an observer who is supposed to have a photographic memory and had that person write down everything they observed about Doug and Mark. Here are the facts as far as I can discern.

1. Mark was a Major General in the Air guard. I would assume he had served in previous missions in the air force. One report had him flying 200 missions, and another report claimed he flew missions for the CIA (these reports are unverified).
2. Doug has high security clearance, (THIS IS CERTAIN AND FROM DOUG'S OWN MOUTH)   having produced several documentaries about serving politicians and filming even in Washington and the White House. (with 2 presidents, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan???)
3. Doug's security even allowed him access to past presidents of the US.
4.  Mark flew a number of highly sensitive missions and also had a high security clearance.
5.  Howard was intimately involved with CIA projects.
6.  Directly after publishing Boxes, Dough took a  firearms course (FROM DOUG'S OWN MOUTH) in the Nevada desert designed to prepare persons who might be attacked (why do it at this point in his life?).  I understand that these weapons courses are required by the US security establishment if a person is to work for them and carry a weapon!  (Strange that he need this so late in life!)
7.  Doug is identified rather intimately with very conservative politicians in general.  His public comments are almost undistilled neo con and tea party blurbs!  Interestingly a certain past president with identical views to Doug's also was CIA director during the time Howard sickened and died and was kept from public view by his keepers!
8. A private investigator who claims to be a son of HRH exhibits the identical political views as Doug. He was caught emailing Howard Hughes Medical Institutes with information about Howard's children.
9.  Even though in our opinion HHMI has blatantly violated it's tax exempt status contract with the American people by financing foreign students and building facilities in foreign countries and acting like a proxy state department by delivering funds and seed to foreign entities the US tax officials refuse to address the issue and totally ignore it.  I suggest it may simply be a front for the CIA since it seems immune to US tax and oversight laws.
10.  Mark traveled around the US ostensibly "searching" for Howard's dna on articles Howard left behind but in fact as a museum curator stated, "their methods were so destructive that we will not allow the items to be tested again!"  Let me suggest that Mark was more interested in "destroying" any source of Howard's dna rather than preserving it! 

What can be deduced from the above facts (as we understand them?) and the results of the actions to publish the " Boxes" book????

The result of Mark and Doug's actions has been to destroy and obscure from public view certain evidence that would disprove their claims.  The Nicely's were available to him for DNA testing at any time but even after the sheet was found and the DNA obtained, he did not venture that he knew where Gary and his brother were (even though he visited them), and he certainally DID NOT try to get their DNA to check againt Verner's (or Howard's as he supposed). It took us over a year to track Gary down and get the DNA.  Since we exposed this book, Mark and Doug have ignored emails sent to them to inquire as to their opinions.  To us this looks like they knew Verner was Verner all along and were more interested in a con than the truth!!! 

As such we must postulate that their real intent was to run as a red herring in front of anyone searching for Howard's dna and remove any possible source that could be obtained by a public person (why else use destructive means when it isn't necessary).  Ex. When Mark was informed by an investigator that Verner's shoes were a very likely source of Verner's dna he hurried over to the "ranch" with Dewayne's truck and was observed tossing Verner's dry shoes into the truck bed. This in spite of the mosture conditions of the night air.  Obviously he either was ignorant of proper procedure or he just wanted to remove sources that might be found by someone else.  He did not use rubber gloves either which are necessary procedure when legitimately trying to get DNA test items.

Our conclusion is that the Boxes project was likely a red herring project started up by the CIA to cover up their involvement to submarine Howard's children.  The project succeeded in irritating a number of people into being unhelpful (and scaring the Bejesus out of the whole Shirley Cook family, we stopped talking to that family as the fear in their eyes was morbid), intimidating others by non disclosure agreements (another favorite CIA tool) into not talking. In essence the Boxes fiasco was in our opinion foisted to muddy the waters of a search for Howard's children and we suspect those involved to include the management of HHMI.

Friday, August 3, 2012


This is an open challenge to Mark Musick and Doug Wellman as well as their media front man Richard Pierisol!  We have paid for the DNA to be tested on the material in Verner's trailer. We tracked down Gary Nicely!  We published the results!  We have NO motive for scamming anyone here!!!  The truth is the truth!!!

 Mark did tests several times including on the shoes he took from the trailer. He has the same DNA results that we do. He can go test Gary or Verner Jr at will.  The DNA evidence points to the BOXES book as being a fraud.  Verner and GARY match at EVERY LOCUS!

In our opinion the reason Mark WON'T go and double check it because then he would have to admit that a JANITOR was smarter than he and his movie producer Doug and his "experts" put together. This con has went on too long!  Mark, I you made this mistake in honestly then say so!!!  Don't make me give this information to a prosecution attorney and ask him to show you up!  You didn't get to be a multi starred general by not having casualties!  It's a part of life, in our opinion this book is a victim of modern tech that allows us to check spurious claims!  Take it's dog tags and be a man and give it a decent burial!!!

Tuesday, April 3, 2012

Why the Boxes Book?

Friday, November 19, 2010

Why the Boxes book, Mark Musick, Douglas Wellman and others?

 Update: Nov: 25, 2011. ON Mark, Doug and their Publisher: You guys seem to be very interested in checking this post virtually daily but have very little interest in the DNA profiles. (a search from aol indicates Paul B Winn, similarily a search of palm and other had held searches indicates Mark, (his brand and operating system were noted by a surveilance person)  The US gov imho from the other patterns are intensely interested in the DNA profiles.  Now I ask myself, why the disparity?  Is Mark still working for the gov and if so why is his searches different?  Did you get the same DNA profile back from the shoes that the other tester got?  Or did you already know the answers to the questions you raised before you raised them? Humm! Have to give this some thought!

On the surface, it looks like the boxes crew are altogether altruistic in their motives for publishing the book. Mr Wellman is a logical and even engaging individual, while Mr. Musick is an intelligent, thoughtful and methodical individual. Are they what they appear on the surface or is there something deeper?  What situations might be considered?

If there is method to this madness, what might those senerio's be?  
1. Manufacture another "Hughes" so that the heir ship can be confused when the real heir claims by moving the date of death from 1976 to 2001 would allow ALL genetic illegitimate children of Howard to claim rights because the laws changed to recognize illegitimate children in the interim? 
2.  Strangle the statute of limitations on various claims related to heir-ship? 
3.  Create a new time line for the heir ship process because in 1976 ONLY "legitimate" heirs could claim, but if the death could be advanced in history, then a slew of "illegitimate" children might have a legal claim because the laws have changed and now allows them to collect??  Such shenanigans have a low probability of success but if enough schemes are ventured, then one is likely to get a hearing by some court?? 

Mr. Winn insists that Musick and Wellman are committing literary prostitution and scamming for money. Of course Mr. Winn with his lifetime income (worth several million: now I wonder what he did for that?)from the Howard Hughes Corporation (do they call that LEGAL prostitution?) (he will argue that point but the money originally came from them) would toe the party line. Would not someone who testified against his former fellow Romaine Street friends, fellow employees, fellow aides also testify against his present benefactors if it is to his benefit?

Geoff Schumacher has promised an opinion and comment but hasn't done so!  Strange for one so loquacious and ready with instant opinions in the past.  He certainly pooh, poohed the statements of myriad eyewitnesses in the past that reported seeing and talking to Howard when he was supposed to be hemmed in by aides in a stupor.  Hesitation is uncharacteristic of Mr. Schumacher, such would indicate doubt or perhaps confusion on the part of Geoff!

Did he start to doubt his own presumptuous assumptions of the past when he has talked to and questioned the researcher and writer of this tome?  Is he really confused as to what to think, or perhaps thinks it's a scam but doesn't want to irritate someone who might be influential in the future (generals are "generally" well connected: lol) , or perhaps he has decided to keep his mouth shut and do some real investigative reporting rather than to suck on the nipple of Howard's fame, further?????  Or is he too addicted to poking around in book bins and restaurants to get down and dirty in the  manginess of the real world? Methinks he doth consider himself in the manner of professor Higgins in "My Fair Lady".  Intellectural and above the fray.  Some lessons to be learned there, Geoff!

A movie is very likely (or course written and produced by Mr. Wellman) (Quote from Musick: "Doug wrote the book to be a movie") or perhaps a TV series where the "Nik" or the stories of one or both his "children" are episodes in the series.  ???  Perhaps Geoff intends to play himself in the movie, after all reality TV has taught us that the American public will swallow just about any garbage, that Hollyweird wants to throw at them!  "Movies don't have to be factual" (Perhaps Geoff would be at a loss to play himself in the movie!  These thought aren't intended to condemn or disparage Mr Wellman or Mr. Musick but are honest questions as to their intentions.  This detective would be remiss to ignore those possibilities! 

Will Mr. Wellman create literary history by secretly using Hughes children in his program and letting the viewers try to figure out the mystery and win a prize???  Will say; it beats the heck out of all the lame reality shows on TV nowadays!  Really: WHO wants to watch a reality show about a bunch of prostitutes, porn stars, smut peddlers, washed up celeb dancers and gold diggers?  That seems to be the mantra in the reality show business recently! Come on folks, doesn't a 100 year real mystery trump watching loose centerfolds, pretend to be sexual pardners to an old man with one foot in the grave and the other one on a banana peel?  After all! It's supposed to be reality, so lets get real!  

The "Boxes" crew deserve the benefit of the doubt, but when approached with an opportunity to do DNA on Nik's effects, they danced around the issue.  (Correction after post: Mark later requested the owner of "Niks" ranch to allow access to investigators with whom this blogger is familiar access.  This was very chancy, as his whole book deal is set up on there being NO proof that Verner was really Verner. Allowing impartial outsiders to investigate always disturbs set scripts)  IF they are REALLY interested in the TRUTH, wouldn't they jump at the opportunity?   Why haven't they?  What are the list of differential diagnosis'? 
A. Perhaps they know "Nik" wasn't Howard and want to avoid anyone getting his DNA.  Alternately, 
B. they may know he IS Howard and already have the DNA and don't want to tip their hand. 
C.What if the Nik story is intended to be a red herring to distract those searching for the real children or relatives of Howard and Jean. 
D.  Since museum workers have fingered Mark to have been actively seeking Howard's DNA off his effects, one would assume he "really" wants to compare the DNA but without anyone knowing.  That would indicate that he "already" has Nik's DNA and is just stonewalling until he can get a verified test from Howard or a relative. 
E.  At least two alleged Hughes children have had multiple murder attempts; could Mr. Musick and Mr. Wellman be a couple of the star wackers as mentioned by people lately and are trying to get inside the confidence of purported heirs so as to carry out the contract? Not an accusation but when life is on the line, you have to look at all angles!
F. Could the Boxes crew be a front for the Lummis/Gano faction to gather information on possible Hughes children?

Some other interesting developments is that the various "Lummis" interests seem to have been hemorrhaging vast amounts of money (at least that is what they are  allowing the public impression to be).  (I wonder if this is part of a plan to plea "it's all gone" if they get assessed for damages from a legitimate heir?))  Also, Will Lummis has withdrawn from public life and just this week Fred (Jr) Lummis suddenly and without explanation resigned as CEO of Cardtronics.  I wonder if they are moving assets to Switzerland and planning to move their residence to make serving supeona's difficult?  And what has happened to "cousin" Richard Gano who served as the California administrator during the purported "settlement" of Howard's estate?  If anyone knows his whereabouts, please email me. 


Anonymous said...
Here's an interesting post in line with your theory.

The movement of residual Howard Hughes money out of the US continues, with the policy of funding research facilities in foreign countries. This is counter to everything the fund was set up for and IMHO is just another attempt by the Lummis faction to move these funds beyond the reach of US courts.

Verner's DNA

Wednesday, December 29, 2010

We have profiles back for Howard Robard Junior's Preported DNA!

 UPDATE 3/17/2012 < It is now beleived that the DNA below was from a scam.  The DNA of this individual according to the statements of his son and from evidence gathered at the scene of his death, are thought to be that of Verner Dale Nicely. The motives of advancing this situation and even publishing a book on it are open to debate.  We would hope that those in high positions would be inquiring of their underlings, as to the existence of a black opp confuse and defuse scheme, and the objective of that scheme.>

We have had access to blood and body secretions from an individual that at least three reputable witnesses (Mark, Doug and Eva didn't turn out to be such good witnesses) are on record as declaring to have been  Howard Hughes Junior.  This profile is almost certainally simply Verner Nicely and NOT Howard Hughes.  We have another profile that is more likely Howard but are looking for verification before publishing it as such!  Those profiles are back and we are comparing them to possible relatives.  Any matches will be notified.  Those who have communicated with us and cooperated earlier will be given preference.  

Also we have been informed of the location of at least one DNA match already run on Howard Robard Hughes Junior, as well as an unimpeachable stored tissue sample of HRH's DNA.  (That makes THREE sources of Howard's DNA which we hope to have available for comparison purposes and for public release very soon).    Two other possible sources have also come forward with items from Howard's personal items but those are hard to test and will likely not be needed.  

This blogger has been amazed at the wide range of people from Howard's past who have come forward to help.  I would like to thank all those willing to help in this quest for truth and justice.  You know who you are, and you will get credit when this search is finalized.  We still need help in some areas, and family DNA from Howard's family and possible mother's families can still be cheaply stored as a buccal swab and saved in case future  backup proof is needed.  If you need help in taking such a sample or in storing it, just email or

Also it seems the Lummis family lawyers may well have already tested Howard's DNA and have the records at the Identigene laboratory in Houston, Texas. 

One source, tells us that these were available to them during much of the past 34 years and they were intentionally kept them secret and not revealed to the probate court. 

If this is true, then someone is likely facing some very severe jail time. (Anyone at Identigene want to come forward and make a deal?  We have two federal prosecuting attorney's that could be consulted about trading your testimony for a deal??)  

We have asked the source for verification from a second area and that is being gotten.  If that is true, then future possible damage awards can be doubled or tripled.  If that is true, that depository will be open to court order to compare our tests.  Of course by the time one could get such a court order, we fully expect that record if it exists to have gone the way of the Doo Doo bird, the Harris County forensics samples,  and the Nixon tapes.  We are backing up our tests to make that source unnecessary. 

As soon as our testing is complete, "Howard's" DNA will be posted on a number of sites .  Of course the children who have significant matches will be informed first so that they can take any action they deem necessary.  This step is considered necessary so as to prevent implicated individuals running  or moving the money offshore.  

For those who like to shoot rather than reason, these samples have been spread about to make the recovery and destruction of these samples impossible, so save yourself the hit fee, you can't stop it now.


Anonymous said...
Just FYI on the Hughes front. I have filed a claim with the IRS as a whistle blower to collect the reward from unpaid taxes by the Howard Hughes Medical Institutes, due to IMHO their invalidation of their tax exempt status. Here is the legal basis. 1. A tax exemption for any institution other than a religious one has no constitutional protection. Rather it is basically a contract between the state (the USA) and the organization. The organization claims and agrees that they are acting in the best interests of the citizens of the US and using to money to benefit further programs that are for the public good of the US citizens. In the case of the HHMI, to fund research and labs to research how to increase the health of US citizens. In return, the state (USA) exempts them from having to pay taxes and file financial papers to account for their business dealings. 2. Some time ago, the HHMI started giving grants to foreign nationals to further their education (not an original goal), and to finance their research. Now they have announced the intention to build labs for many of these foreign nationals in their native lands. 3. By financing foreign national, it is my contention that they breached the basic concept of their tax exempt status since it no longer benefited US citizens. Secondly by financing the building of labs in foreign countries owned by foreign nationals, they are moving the money into a realm that does not benefit the US citizenry by any stretch of the imagination and their for have forfeited their tax exempt status. Contention: From the moment of their first grant to fund foreign national education or research, they have been acting against the best interests of the citizenry who were financing the Institute and from that point taxes are owing to the IRS. Contention: By elucidating this rule of law and bring it to the attention of the IRS, I am entitled to the reward of 10% of owed taxes, not only by HHMI but by All tax exempt organizations who are in violation of their tax exempt status due to financing foreign national.

I didn't know: But this post is ironic!

Monday, January 17, 2011

(Update March 13, 2013)  We didn't know at the time but this was the beginning of the end for the Howard Hughes in Alabama theory. After many months of searching we found Gary Dale Nicely in Washington DC and he committed to a swab test (he even did it himself while the nurse watched (no chance of contamination)).  His swab matched the one below as a son and that blew the idea of Howard Hughes in Alabama clear out ot the water. His DNA matched the person inhabiting the VA bed at the Alabama "ranch". That person conclusively was VERNER NICELY and therefore was NOT Howard Hughes.  Funny to look back on this post now!  WE HAD FALLEN FOR MARK'S CON TOO!

It is time for the con artists to put up or shut up! Howard Robard Hughes DNA??

Here is a DNA profile from a person who 3 people have testified, the sample belonged to Howard Robard Hughes Jr. (Note: 3/9/2012:  We have gathered considerable evidence that suggests that the person from whom this DNA was obtained was Verner Nicely and no one else. Definitive proof is in the process and should be available shortly).  In getting access to this sample I avoided input from anyone with an ax to grind.  It's up to the public now and law enforcement!

Please feel free to compare your DNA to this person, Law enforcement may even want to search the CODIS data base for relatives.  You might just get surprised.  If you get a match, please email me the particulars and I'll help you further.  Media and the curious will be ignored.  DNA from new posters who can present lab certified chain of custody DNA will be taken seriously.  Other con artists etc will also be ignored.

System Locus Reference Swab
D3S1358 16,  19
THO1   6
D21S11 29, 30:
D18S51 13, 16:
PENTA E  15, 17:
D5S818  12,
D13S317  12   13:
D7S820    9, 10:
D16S539    9:
CSF1PO 11, 12;
PENTA D 10,  13
Amelogenin X, Y:
vWA    17:
D8S1179   14  15
TPOX 8,  10
FGA 22  25

This was entered by hand to protect private information from other individuals tested on the same form.  This profile was checked 3 times by more than one method.  DNA techs are welcome to compare this DNA with any below or from their own research and email us their conclusions as to relationships.  Thanks to all. 

Mr. Ogden

Mr. Ogden was adamant that the Boxes book was true and for that reason he is being linked to this site.

Thursday, September 15, 2011

New Submission From Mr. Ogden as A Preported Son of Howard Born in 1947!

We have a printout of this DNA supposedly from the DNA test Lab for a reported son of Howard.  We have asked for authorization from the individual to get independent verification from the lab but have not received it yet.  We are however posting the DNA so that it may be available for others to use.  There are some inconsistencies in this story but this is a resource to any who are POSSIBLE children of Howard!  If they had already PROVED that Howard was their father, this blog would be useless!  I have compared the DNA by hand (I am not a DNA scientist) and did not notice any matches even close to being significant.  The readers may well be involved in DNA testing and are welcome to do their own comparison to the posted profiles!

The individual was fully informed of murder attempts against this blogger, his family and other people who have claimed kinship with Howard.  He (the DNA will show this so revealing is sex is not a breach of confidentiality) has asked his name be withheld.

Purported DNA from Mr Ogden (assumed name).

Genetic Locus                    ID11   1015.1  
D8S1179                    12,14
D21S11                        32.2,33.2
D7S820                        10,10
CSF1PO                        12,12,
D3S1358                    16,18
Tho1                        6, 9.3
D13S317                    11, 11
D16S539                    9, 11
D2S1338                    18,20
D19S433                    13,14
vWA                        17, 17
TPOX                        11, 11
D18S51                        16,17
AMEL                        X, Y

File Number: Sample ID:
Reporting Officer:

Profile Submitted:






Thanks, Peel!


Pictures Pertaining To Boxes Investigation

Pictures Received From Persons Cooperating in Our Search:One Left Click Enlarges: More as archive searched.

Very close up of shipping label Looks like August 10, 2000 to me but really someone who works for the post office should interpret this.
Tracking Label I think (I don't work for the post office).
Albert C Nichols Dogtag (Is this where Verner got the idea to call himself "Nik"??? Was this a friend from the Korean Conflict??? Did Verner know Paul B Winn in Korea when when was with the negotiating team to get an armistice for the Korean war? Well Paul???  Here's an interesting Obit: Albert C Nichols was born on 04/13/1923 and died on 06/11/1997. Albert Nichols is buried in the cemetery: Good Hope Cemetery, which is located in Troy, AL. Another obit:Albert "Al" C. Nichols, 89, a life time resident of Des Moines, Iowa, passed away on Tuesday, November 9, 2010. I'm betting on the one in Troy! Just TOOO Close!!
Notice the box in the top left corner. Undisturbed condition.
Dog Tags from a fellow soldier of Nik's?????????  Is this where Verner got the name Nik? From Albert C "Nik" Nichols???
Official military form showing the children of Veron Nicely: Paul Verner Nicely and Gary Dale Nicely. 
Pawn Stars Parking lot during one of the investigator's trips
Nik and Eva's apartment in Goshen
Mandalay Bay while investigator was interviewing Las Vegas persons who still had a bunch of Howard's papers and effects!
Car Mark Musick drove from Cobb County Ga to Troy Alabama
Sample of I think "Nik's" writing (Not a writing expert)  A lot of the pictures were obtained by an independent investigator that visited the "farm" of Nik Nicely as described in the "Boxes" book by Douglas Wellman and Mark Musick
Sample of "Niks" or Eva's writing, think it's Nik because of the technical writing about a very specific Khroler commode!
Above is a pic of the Nik's ramp of "Boxes".  Note that someone has built him a ramp. He also slept in a hospital bed with VA monogrammed sheets.  It was from one of these bloody sheets that the the investigator obtained the positive DNA profile as posted in an earlier post on this blog.  

We had some discussion about the pic of the box below, it is evidently a box mailed to Nic Nicely from his relatives in the Nicely clan during the time he was supposed to be Howard in hiding????? No conclusions here but we wondered why "Howard" would be getting packages from "Niks" relatives when they supposedly hadn't heard from him in a long time???? A big question there!
Shipping label of Box from Nicely to Nik the date is bearly descernable
Eva's plastic

Mark Musick speaking near Nik's "ranch"
Large box from Nicely relatives to "Nik"


Big Problems For Boxes, Mark Musick and Doug Wellman

Big Problems For "Boxes", Mark Musick, and Doug Wellman!

 Update: 3/28/2012 We have the DNA back from Gary Dale Nicely and as suspected it matches. Now considering that half your DNA is inherited from mother and half from father, then at least 1 allele should match at each locus for the father. It did! Here's the two profiles, you make the call!

"Nik"  Verner  Nicely                                                                Gary Dale Nicely

System Locus Reference Swab                       System Locus Reference Swab
D3S1358 16,  19                                           D3S1358  17, 19 Match x1
THO1   6                                                      TH01  6  Match x2
D21S11 29, 30                                              D21S11 29, 30 Matchx2                           
D18S51 13, 16:                                               D18S51 13 Match x1
PENTA E  15, 17:                                           Penta E  7, 15 Match x1
D5S818  12,                                                    D5S818  12 Match x1
D13S317  12   13:                                           D13S317  12 Match x1
D7S820    9, 10:                                              D7S820  9 Match x2
D16S539    9:                                                  D16S539  9, Match x2
CSF1PO 11, 12;                                             CSF1PO   19, 12 Match X1                                  
PENTA D 10,  13                                         Penta D  10, 13 Match x2
Amelogenin X, Y:                                        Amelogenin XY Match x2

vWA  17                                                       vWA 16, 17  Match x1
D8S1179  14, 15                                           D8S1179 13, 14  Match x1
TPOX 8,  10                                                 TPOX  8, 9 Match x1
FGA 22  25                                                    FGA  22, 23 Match x1
End Update

Please understand that we take no joy in reporting these events.  We were hoping that Verner would turn out to be Howard as that would have made our job easier too!  We like Mark and Doug personally but these questions are too serious to overlook. The fact that the Nicely's reported an evidently pre publication interview with Mark raises some serious questions. I hope Mark and Doug have some reasonable explanation!  The idea that Howard Hughes would get in contact with and form a long time association with the family of the person whose identity he had taken is stretching credulity to the limit!  That's the way to get exposed and go to jail!

We are posting this information so that anyone who might be in the market to harm the Nicely's will know that it is FAR too late, as precautions have been taken, and a number of people are already involved in this effort. 

A very engaging man named Gary Dale Nicely met  and was interviewed 3/8/2012 by a researcher yesterday and had quite a lot to say that tends to "debunk" the Boxes theory.

The researcher met with Gary and his charming wife, both of who told some interesting facts! Seems they were aware and in contact with Nik and Eva till Nik's death. The box below was apparently (from the label) mailed  August 10, 2000 (a post office worker would be needed to confirm the exact date).  Gary identified the reason for the odd shape of the plywood box, it being a rectangle but only about 3 inches thick. Seems he had handmade a shutter or shutters (the researchers forgot to ask how many) and sent them to his father in that box.

1. Gary was well aware of his father Verner living in Alabama and even went to visit him there! He talked on the phone with him fairly frequently and knew Eva as well.
2. According to Gary and his wife, Mark Musick came to their house and wanted DNA but he was so secretive that they refused.
3. Gary recognized the Shipping box recovered from "Nik's" trailer and stated that that "Is my handwriting on the front!  The wife stated that she recognized the green address stamp with their address in the upper left corner of the box.
4. When Gary agreed to meet he stated that the book needed to be debunked!  Here is Gary holding the box: on 3/8/2012.

Gary Dale Nicely and the Box he sent his Dad Verner Nicely circa 2000.  Please notice in his left hand there are some DNA swabs; He gave a dna sample nurse a mouth swab. It was kinda brief as Gary did it himself but we are waiting for the comparison to "Verner's" dna from a sheet at the "Ranch".  If the two match as father and son, then the whole Hughes as Verner Nicely theory is a fabrication in our opinion.

Here's a photo of the two, side by side.  What do you think?  Incidentally all the photos of Howard show a receding hair line with fine straight hair.Insert quote from Paul Winn internet comment: < (31 months ago)
Hughes' beard was not that thick. Iit was thin, long (at least collar length) and stringy. His hair was very fine and straight - also not very thick. I was one of his personal secretaries and was with him and Jean in Rancho Santa Fe in 1961. I spent 32 years with his company (Hughes Tool Company; then it became Summa Corporation and is now The Howard Hughes Corporation) and was the Corporate Secretary, Secretary to the Board of Directors, and Director of Corporate Records. I was in charge of all the records and Hughes' personal items, including his clothing, golf clubs, pilot log, etc. after his death. Paul B. Winn, Las Vegas, Nevada<

Please note the THIN and VERY FINE and STRAIGHT comments. That is exactly what all the photos of him show, without exception as well as the receding hairline. A lot of things may change but not ALL of that together! Verner had NO RECEDING Hairline, THICK hair, Curly hair and beard!  In my opinion the chances that Verner could be Howard are getting infinitesimal!
Several of the photos of Nik (notice the beard) show somewhat curly hair and forward hair as does both Gary and Nik in these photos here. Other photos of "Nik" show quite abundant frontal hair falling down his forehead in a mass!  Did Howard have a scalp transplant???  Did Howard's receding hairline suddenly disappear later in life? Did he bathe in Rogaine?  Did his hands grow new vein structure? We have had a university IV insertion teacher take photos of the backs of Howard's and Nik's hands and in his opinion they have totally DIFFERENT vessel structure. Nik's veins are rope like and surface while Howard's are deep and hard to visualize, they also had quite different pattern of vessalage! . Also Howard had olive skin (close to Spanish coloration) and Nik has tidey whitey skin.  The large freckles, nevus etc  or spots that appear on Nik's skin would never appear on Howard's even later in life, he was too olive complected, in our opinion.  Typically an olive skinned person does not suffer the kind of sun skin damage as exhibited by Nik!  Just too many questions!

In other interesting developments: it would appear that one of the person's claiming to be a "son" of Howard Hughes has been emailing quite frequently and inquiring as to the identities of the various persons with DNA on the site. We have an email that shows CC (carbon coping: Sending a copy of correspondence to a second source, usually for informational purposes, often times Private investigators will do this to keep clients informed). NOW DON'T THAT RAISE SOME INTERESTING QUESTIONS?? Who want's to guess what the email address he was carbon coping to??? Don't guess! Here it is!   Howard Hughes Medical Institutes:
Now you FBI guys who I know read this site: You need to think about that real hard!

Postulate: If HHMI has a PI working to learn the identities of the person's posted on this blog, then HHMI  must have an interest in one of those sets of DNA. If they have an interest, then that would imply they know one of the sets in our possession (public or private) is really Howard's child. The only way they could know this is if they have a valid DNA sample of Howard's dna! Now don't that make you hairpiece flop in the wind????  Wonder if a judge would give me a warrant to have the PI arrested and questioned?  Probably not!!!! Hummm!